Diary of a classic car valuer

About values

Valuing a classic vehicle is a world away from valuing newer machinery which is amply catered for by guides such as Glass’s. Sure, there are one or two ‘classic’ price guides around, but these are inevitably rather broad based.  Of course, the reason for this is that classic values are set not so much by mileage or year, as condition and originality. 

Then there’s the inside track knowledge. By that I mean knowing why, for example, a series 1 E-Type is mainly worth more than a series 11 in the same condition, when the average person in the street could be forgiven for believing an E-Type is just an E-Type. Or why a split screen VW camper is so much more desirable (and expensive) than the bay window type... you get the picture.

The fact you’re on the Towergate Classic Motor website marks you out as more an enthusiast than the average person in the street - and it’s a good bet you’ll have a fair idea of what your classic is worth. This is probably forged from a combination of seeing similar models in similar condition advertised for sale and word of mouth at club meets and the like. But there is still a large and ill-informed body of non-enthusiasts out there that have a very distorted view of their vehicle’s worth.

Many seem to think that if their motor sports a three-point star or a leaping cat, no matter what age or condition it’s, a) got to be an appreciating classic, and b) it’s got to be worth mega bucks. I’ve seen more shagged out old sheds of ‘86 XJS touted at £10k than I’ve had hot dinners. And what is it with the Merc S Class? Seems any old ’83 300SE with chrome arches and intergalactic mileage is always worth £5k according to some owners.

More worryingly, I’ve recently been asked to agree a value of £100,000 on a 1974 Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow, £80,000 on a 1975 Jensen Interceptor 111, £25,000 on a 1965 VW Camper and £10,000 on a 1984 Mercedes 200 Estate. See if you can guess which was the only one we could actually agree? Yep, the VW camper. Top condition examples do in fact change hands for that kind of money, but the rest? Unfortunately not.

The problem is often that someone has shovelled untold riches into a money-no-object restoration and merely adds this cost to the price of the basic car, thereby arriving at their idea of its value. Unfortunately, insurers will generally only allow you to insure for what’s called ‘market value’, i.e. the fair price between a committed seller and a willing buyer on the open market. Agreed Value policies merely take this market value and agree to pay you that if the vehicle is written off. Effectively then, the value is agreed at the outset of the cover rather than having to argue about it at the time of a loss.

So how do you find out the market value of your vehicle? Often, adverts can give a clue to these prices, but of course nobody pays the full asking price anymore, so these have to be proportionately discounted when seeking out like for like.

In the examples above, every one of these models can be found in the same condition for much less on the open market. In the case of the Rolls, we found a 17k miler (really!) for £21k. We also found an Interceptor that had an £80k rebuild at the factory and had only covered 9k miles since, at £17k. As for the Merc, well these can be freely picked up for around £2k for a solid example, so in each case the requested values were way out of line with the reality of the market place.

In each case though, the owners came back with the argument that if the higher value were to be agreed then there would be more premium payable, so what’s the problem? The fact is, however, with low classic insurance premiums the additional amounted to less than £100, which wouldn’t go far in the event of a £100,000 claim. 

Allowing cars to be insured for way over their true market value encourages the less scrupulous among us to see a nice little earner, and in the process spoil it for everyone. Back in the early 90s when the classic bubble burst, many insurers had enormous numbers of cars at equally enormous values. 

Rarely in those days were these values verified before the policy was issued and consequently as soon as values in the market place crashed, claims for fire and theft soared in equal measure. Something had to give otherwise now we’d all be paying for these people in increased premiums. These days, classic car insurers like Towergate keep a keen eye on what goes on the books and at what value, thereby containing spurious claims and keeping premiums sensible for everyone.

About modifications

Everyone loves to see a nice, shiny original or restored classic that looks just how the maker intended. Such vehicles are a delight to behold, but like many good things can be spoilt by obsession. I’m talking top concours such as Pebble Beach, where cars are routinely trailered to and from the show and rarely turn a wheel under their own steam anywhere. There must be pleasure to be had out of this, but I can’t share it, I’m afraid.

I’d much rather be tooling about in a good, useable classic that gets me from A to B with a sense of occasion no brand new Eurobox could ever replicate. But even here the obsession thing can take over; I’m talking modifications, and of course modified can mean anything from a non-original exhaust, right up to a rebody and more. 

One thing that continues to amaze me is the sheer number of modified classics out there.  I don’t think its difficulty in finding original parts, nor the cost, but just a plain old desire to create something that no one else has. To underline this, in the last couple of months I’ve been asked to decide whether to accept and then to value four very diverse modified classics, which in their own way are a fascinating take on an individual’s need to be different rather than born out of necessity.

The first was a beautiful, but outwardly standard-looking opalescent maroon Jaguar MKII. On closer inspection it was fitted with an XJ6 4.0 AJ16 engine complete with fuel injection and four speed automatic box together with all the accompanying engine management gizmos. Then there was the XJ6 steering rack and independent rear axle.  Inside there was climate control, DVD navigation and still more bits borrowed from the XJ6 - this time the retrimmed leather seats. There was an engineer’s report with it and when I had a word with him he swore the workmanship was first class. In fact, he’s seen another by the same firm who’d slung in nothing short of the supercharged V8 from the XJR...in a MKII! I felt the owner was going to have some top fun with this old ‘new’ Jag; I’d certainly have liked to have been there the first time he was at the lights next to a lowered Corsa full of Max boys.

Then there was the Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II which was anything but outwardly looking standard. I shook my head in disbelief as I cast my eye over the silver go-faster stripes along the side, the tinted Zephyr screen visor, the search lamps mounted on each front wing and the chrome roof rack bolted on. Inside was just as bad, with a full makeover in leopard skin. But the worst was yet to come; at the rear, mounted firmly on the boot was a Ford Sierra Cosworth Bi-plane spoiler. If this was parked next to a brand new Phantom, it’s clear which one would garner the most attention - if not for any of the right reasons.

Next up was a cheery little yellow MG Midget of 1972 vintage. This looked standard apart from being stripped of its bumpers, but further investigation revealed a seriously good adjustable suspension set up, a five speed short throw gearbox and a modern Rover K Series twin cam 1.8VVC engine. This was whacking out 160bhp in a car originally designed for 64bhp. Enquiries revealed a 0-60 time of just 6.5 seconds and presumably a free pair of clean underpants for every passenger.

The award for excess though, predictably has to go to the Americans. I was asked to look at a 1972 Chevrolet Chevelle which, as many will know, is a good example of a plain Middle-America car. Engine options from new started at a 4.1 litre six and went up to a 6.5 litre V8, but it was most often fitted with a 5.0. This one was different, although the proposal stated the only mods were a bonnet scoop and alloy wheels. It did indeed have alloys, but the two at the back were wider than most garden rollers. Under the bonnet, however, all was not what it seemed; there lurked an Edelbrock high-riser inlet manifold topped with two Holley for barrel carbs - this was certainly way beyond standard, but nothing prepared me for the revelation it had been bored out to 9.0 litres and then fitted with nitrous injection. The thing would have been more at home at Santa Pod than the B361 and it left me wondering how it could have sailed through an MoT being so far removed from its humble roots.

Unfortunately, from an insurance standpoint modified classics such as this warrant an increased premium, although the Rolls did get away with standard rates. Still, in a way you have to admire the quest for individuality with these motors, even if they are in questionable taste. So, no pampered heated garages here then - all four are in regular use and travel up to 5,000 miles a year and that’s what classic motoring is about in my book.

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